~ Slavoj Zizek, In Defense of Lost Causes
The same, I think, could be said of superhero movies with artistic pretensions. Take The Dark Knight. Batman's psychological complexity, his struggle with the moral ambiguity related his own actions, and his status as a "Dark Knight", do not level the playing field between Batman and the evil he resists. For the Joker is, in his own words, "a dog chasing cars", he is evil and violent, simply for the sake of being evil and violent. He promotes chaos for the sake of chaos. The Joker has no psychological complexity, no internal moral struggle, he is a "fanatical killing machine". He is thus completely, and utterly, insane. Hence, Batman's inner turmoil functions as a sign of his supremacy over the forces he resists, personified in the Joker.
Of course, many people have noted that this moves Batman from the realm of the heroic, into the realm of the anti-hero, and that's all well and good (i.e. that's where Batman has always belonged), but it doesn't take us very far.
You see, Zizek's remarks about "our side" refer to the ideology of the liberal democratic West, and the United States in particular. The Dark Knight functions as a powerful spectacular (think Debord) defense of that ideology.
In today's world, America can no longer hold on to her heroic pretensions. It is clear that she is waging an illegal war, breaking UN Charters, and refusing to respect decisions made by the World Court. America can no longer be sustained with stories of innocence, and heroism, and fictions about cowboys and savages. That innocence has been lost, and many of the actions America has engaged in appear morally ambiguous (at best -- in reality they only appear morally ambiguous to Americans and their allies, the rest of the world is aware that those actions are morally deplorable!). Thus, according to contemporary American ideology, things go like this: aware of the ways in which she will be (unjustly) villified, America still shoulders the burden of engaging in necessary violent actions for the sake of others (like going to war to save the world from terror), even if those others go on to condemn her for those very salvific actions!
Thus, America has become an anti-hero. She is a vigilante, engaging in actions that others condemn, actions that are illegal, for the sake of the greater good. Like Batman. And The Dark Knight ennobles this ideological (but utterly false) vision of America. Batman represents America and her allies, while the Joker represents all the forces of terror that America is fighting. Not only does this become clear through moments in the film -- say when Batman is standing at the site of an explosion, a scene that looks a lot like Batman imposed upon 'ground zero' in New York, or when Batman decides to covertly use communication technology to spy on others (an act like phone-tapping), a deplorable but necessary act given the Joker as the creator of 'the state of exception -- it is also clear in the way in which the film was marketed. On one of the posters advertising The Dark Knight, we see Batman standing below an office building. Some of the windows of the building have been blown out, and a fire is burning inside. It is up to the reader to decide whether or not the shape created looks more like a bat-symbol, or more like the gap created by a plane flying into a building (cf. http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/Drak
Note, then, some of the things that are masked by this ideology, and its recent spectacular defense in The Dark Knight.
(1) Bruce Wayne, Batman in 'real life', is portrayed as one of the wealthiest men in the world. This is significant, not only because it allows Batman to have the best technology for his suits and other toys, but because it portrays Batman as a person without any needs. This, then, highlights the altruistic nature of his character. Wayne acts, not for his own sake, or in his own defense, but in defense of others -- especially those who cannot defend themselves. Now, when Batman is used as a stand-in for America, we receive the myth of an altruistic America, acting solely out of her desire to see others living free and democratic lives.
This is a complete reversal of the reality well expressed by Henry Kissinger: "America doesn't have friends. America only has interests." Granted, like Bruce Wayne, America is one of the wealthiest powers out there today. But, unlike Bruce Wayne, she is not independently wealthy. She is wealthy because she has been plundering other nations for decades -- all the while posing as if she had those other nations' best interests in mind!
Therefore, although the altruistic Batman is unjustly reviled, and becomes something of a martyr for the sake of the masses he loves so much (or so the story goes), we must not be so foolish as to draw the same conclusion about America's actions on the world stage today. America is reviled because she is plundering and killing the innocent and those who are without defense against her power, so let us be careful that Hollywood doesn't confuse us on this point.
(2) As America cannot be equated with the altruistic Batman, so also those who struggle violently against America and her interests -- notably groups that are labeled 'fanatical Jihadists' or something like that -- cannot be equated with the Joker. On this point, let me mention another passage from Zizek's In Defense of Lost Causes. In discussing the ways in which our society forces certain perspectives and presuppositions upon us, Zizek mentions the Serbsky Institute that existed in Soviet Moscow. This institute existed to torture any who internally opposed the Soviet Union, for "[t]he overriding belief was that a person had to be insane to be opposed to Communism." Zizek then argues that the same sort of attitude was operative in response to Mel Gibson's drunken anti-Semitic outburst in 2006. With all the talk of Gibson's need for rehabilitation and counselling, Zizek argues that our society tells us that "a person has to be insane to be anti-Semitic". He then draws this conclusion:
This easy way out enables us to avoid the key issue: that, precisely, anti-Semitism in our Western societies was -- and is -- not an ideology displayed by the deranged, but an ingredient of spontaneous ideological attitudes of perfectly sane people, of our ideological sanity itself. (To be clear: Zizek isn't defending anti-Semitism in this passage or elsewhere -- he believes that Gibson's attitude, and the popular response to that attitude, are both problematical.)
What I think Zizek is doing in this pasage, is arguing for the importance of exploring the ideological beliefs that inspire and sustain the actions that we perform. He wants to expose those ideologies, and he wants to ask, "why is this particular ideology appealing to this person? Is there, perhaps, some good or understandable reason why this person holds to this belief (say, for example, the person who resists Communism)?" and so on and so forth.
However, this is precisely the sort of discussion that America does not want to engage in. Hence, it promotes the view that terrorists are insane, that they are lovers of death and chaos, operating strictly out of madness and inexplicable hatred. Thus, the Joker perfectly represents the 'enemy' as America wishes us to perceive that 'enemy.'
However, the truth is that most of our 'enemies', most 'terrorists', are quite intelligent and are perfectly sane. Consequently, we must engage in precisely the sort of discussion that Zizek recomends. Yet, this quickly reveals that some people actually have understandable reasons for becoming militant fundamentalists -- American businesses stole our land, and led my family into starvation and poverty; American planes fire-bombed my village; American companies sold weapons to the people who shot my family; and so on and so forth. This, then, is part of the reason why some people would be drawn toward a militant form of fundamentalism, but it is precisely this sort of thing that America must repress. Better to represent the enemy as a Joker. A mad dog chasing cars.
(3) Notice, also, the way in which political acts of lying and deception are justified. Apart from one moment, The Dark Knight portrays the people as always on the verge of hopelessness that quickly turns into anarchic violence and self-destructive chaos. Therefore, the people must be presented with a fictional "White Knight" in order to provide them with hope, and so that order can be sustained. Thus, continuing with Zizek's comments in In Defense of Lost Causes, the only way to sustain Order is, paradoxically, by transgressing that Order (Agamben's state of exception, again). But this comes with a price: "The price we pay for this is that the Order which thus survives is a mockery of itself, a blasphemous imitation of Order."
Unfortunately, what The Dark Knight offers is a noble vision of this transgression. Sure, it may not be presented as ideal, but it certainly is presented as the best possible option for us -- and it's hella cool. Thus, how can we not agree when Dick Cheney tells us that "we also have to work... sort of the dark side... A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion." We become incapable of seeing that this sort of Order is actually Disorder, and that this sort of structure is only the systematisation of chaos -- the very thing it claims to counteract, it perpetuates (which is why America is always a nation at war, or encouraging, supplying, and funding wars elsewhere).
However, we the people -- or, rather, the multitude (which Hardt and Negri carefully distinguish from the concept of 'the people') -- should take offense at such portrayals of the public. The violence that runs just beneath the surface of us is not a self-destructive, insane expression of chaos. Rather, it is a violence that we wish to direct towards the powers-that-be, towards the political persons who lie to us and deceive us. As such, it is an expression of hope, not hopelessness. America, and The Dark Knight, would have us believe that we need to be saved from ourselves, but in reality it is the powers-that-be who know that they are the ones who may need to be saved from us. Consequently, they portray themselves as our saviours, and in this act, they continue to hold sway over us. In reality, we have nothing to lose but our chains, and the blood of others -- our brothers and sisters around the world -- that has been poured out over our hands, staining our clothes, the fuel we consume, and the food that we eat.
Anonymous
July 24 2008, 00:52:53 UTC 3 years ago
Well done, but flawed
Your review of the film is quite well-done, and I applaud your recognition and examination of the "War on Terror" issue in the film. That said, I think your review leaves out a number of really key points. You don't seem to recognize the ways in which the film subverts the American propaganda narrative. I plan to explore much of this in my own review of the film which I am currently writing. It should be up within a week.David W. Congdon
fireandrose.blogspot.com
July 24 2008, 01:42:19 UTC 3 years ago
Re: Well done, but flawed
Hello Dave,Glad you read this review, and I'm glad that you're working on exploring how The Dark Knight subverts the American propaganda narrative. While watching the film, I felt a great deal of ambiguity -- I felt as though the movie was both affirming, and subverting that American narrative -- but I felt that the affirmation came through more obviously, and would hence be more operative upon most audiences. Of course, to be more certain of this, I would have to watch the movie again, as I was mostly enjoying it, rather than reflecting critically upon it, while I watched it (it was the first time I've gone to a movie theatre in about three years!).
Anyway, For these and other (ideological!) reasons, I decided to make those pro-American propaganda features as clear as possible in my own review so that others could think critically upon that aspect of the film. I like forward to your more balanced review.
Grace and peace,
Dan
July 24 2008, 01:46:18 UTC 3 years ago
Re: Well done, but flawed
Oh, one more thought, that I didn't state explicitly in my review -- and one that favours the pro-American propaganda reading. Even though the function and actions of the Batman are seriously problematised by the film, and even though the are revealed to be a significant part of the perpetuation of evil and chaos (something that comes through even more strongly in Miller's graphic novel), we still leave the theatre thinking Batman is one hella cool bad-ass muthafucka. Hence, although we may find ourselves seriously questioning the Batman on the rational level, on the emotional level I think we find ourselves identifying with the character and, when all is said and done, wishing that we could be like that.Anonymous
July 24 2008, 02:23:57 UTC 3 years ago
July 24 2008, 19:48:52 UTC 3 years ago
And, yes, not all movie posters are depictions of certain scenes within the movie being portrayed. However, it is significant, given that the advertisers could have chosen any image, that this particular image was the one that was selected.
Anonymous
July 27 2008, 16:37:57 UTC 3 years ago
movie poster
Perhaps it should also be mentioned that the poster has the slogan at the top: "WELCOME TO A WORLD WITHOUT RULES." This is most likely referring to the Joker's style of insanity that has no logic behind it, but it is Batman who is the one displayed on the poster. Almost as if, when faced with an illogical foe that doesn't play by the rules, it is justifiable that the "hero" can break the rules too. (Could this go along with what you were saying about America and terrorism, perhaps?) Joker has invited Batman into his world of insanity, a world without rules... and Batman enters into that world with the false belief that the ends justify the means.Anonymous
July 24 2008, 03:03:16 UTC 3 years ago
Dark Knight is subversive
I think Batman was far more ambiguous than you portray in the review. I even came out believing that the Joker (as anarchist rebel) had more of a point than Batman.Take the way the ending is done for example. Batman is no longer on the side of the state but is being chased by them. Jim Gordon calls him a 'dark knight' in contrast to Gotham's 'white knight'. And Batman takes on the crimes of Dent so as to protect the legitimacy of the state - this actually validates Joker's argument! (remember when he was talking to Dent about how when the Government does something wrong it's not a crime, but when the people do something wrong it is a crime).
In this way, the Joker is actually a legitimate response to Batman (and the violent 'excess' of the state he represents) in that the Joker represents the violent excess of the people (what he seems to be trying to do is stir up an anarchist rebellion from Gotham's people). From the perspective from within the state we can only view the Joker as 'pure evil' (although no one actually calls him that) or insane but if we are to be truthful here he is both more and less than that. Indeed, the Joker represents the horror and trauma of non-identity itself (hence his differing stories of how he got those scars), upon which we build our supposedly moral identities and structures upon. In Lacan's terms, he is the Real - the point where all our linguistic or categorical structures fail.
The problem the cops and Batman constantly find when confronting the Joker is that it's almost impossible to maintain your identity in opposition to him (the Joker 'enjoys' being punched the cop, he wants Batman to hit him in the Batpod). Part of the effect of the Joker is that he subverts the very agency of the protagonist - and that's the most subversive part of Dark Knight - it's an action film without a protagonist. The moral decisions the Joker sets up have visceral, identity breaking effect on the characters, such that any sort of moral centre is negated. What's left is a chaotic city struggling (and possibly failing) to retain its mythology.
I think the film ultimately sets us up to root for Batman emotionally and morally but the whole philosophy of the film seems to mitigate against such a reading, such that we are forced to turn to ourselves for moral guidance (the film offers little) and question how the structure of the action film itself has been set up to distance us from or wash over all these moral traumas and fractures of identity.
July 24 2008, 04:49:02 UTC 3 years ago
July 24 2008, 11:33:34 UTC 3 years ago
dark murder
I have a friend who is currently in jail for committing a really gruesome wilful murder. But the thing that really hit me when I first heard that she had committed murder was not "She's a monster!" - it was "She's just like me!" In fact, she was (and still is) just like any other teenage girl - fun, sweet, a good sense of humour, a desire to love and be loved...I later read a lot of comments about her on a public chat forum, and they were all along the lines of "insane"/"monster"/"animal"...
Of course, what she did is hideous, and it's only right that she's serving a life sentence... but I won't really understand the dreadful tragedy of which she's a part if I pretend she's in a totally different category to myself.
July 24 2008, 19:20:51 UTC 3 years ago
Re: dark murder
Hey Matt,I know what you're saying -- having spent the last ten years journeying alongside of many whom others consider to be 'monsters', I have also come to think that, shit, we're all just people -- no monsters here. Just creation groaning.
That said, I think I have a different perspective on the justice and penal systems -- I'm not sure if a life sentence is "right" for any crime. There's got to be an alternative.
You're point about understanding is a good one. Zizek makes a similar assertion in In Defense of Lost Causes. In the paragraph following the quotation with which I opened the above post, he writes this:
The first lesson thus seems to be that the proper way to fight the demonization of the Other is to subjectivize her, to listen to her story, to understand how she perceives the situation -- or, as a partisan of the Middle East dialogue put it: "An enemy is someone whose story you have not heard." (Of course, Zizek then goes on to problematise this way of thinking, but there is something worthwhile here.)
Oh, and one further question. After saying that you friend is just like you, you state that "she was (and still is) just like any other teenage girl". Does that mean that you are just like any other teenage girl? ;)
Anonymous
3 years ago
July 25 2008, 21:50:16 UTC 3 years ago
wow
I appreciate that very well thought out and eye opening view of the batman movie. I wonder if the "powers" seem to work these kinds of thought out through the artistic medium, or if the makers actually think this stuff through to this depth. It is easy to see the parallels with our current culture, at least after reading this, but I wonder if these things just happen as people try and make sense of the world, or if they intentionally try to convey these messages.I for one find this kind of propaganda in just about everything, and sometimes just allow my brain to drift away, and just enjoy the artistry of an amazing performance, without critiquing it. Maybe that is bad, but I just get too damn serious at times and lose the joy of life sometimes.
That said, I haven't watched a "war movie" in almost thirty years.
rev
Anonymous
July 26 2008, 03:35:42 UTC 3 years ago
Batman and capital
Great review, I was thinking along the same lines too. But there seems to be more menacing specter underlying American nationalism and its creation of the 'terrorist'-i.e., capital and consumerism. It's interesting you mention the advertising for this film, the Dark Knight poster. This advertising campaign has been unconventional in some ways. At my local theater, they spray painted what looked like a smiley face with the bat symbol as the mouth, and spray painted underneath was Joker's axiom,'why so serious?' For those unfamiliar with the slogan, like me at the time, it was easily mistaken for graffiti. Here, the search for capital effaces itself, using something associated with the polluting of monuments to capital, like a brand new movie theater, as a tool to produce profits (and the Dark Knight did break the box office record for weekend sales). This almost irrational, unstoppable drive for profits seems to be embodied in the chaos-producing Joker, a character who effaces himself with make-up and scars, and who, like today's companies (which narrate specific histories to specific audiences), changes the history of how he got these scars depending on who he talks to. Of course, as Joker said outright, Batman and the Joker need each other! But I think as you were gesturing towards, Batman is also Bruce Wayne: it is this wealthy entrepreneur that needs the Joker. Batman functions as an alibi, producing the myth of a manichean universe of good and evil, when in fact it is the same system that produces both the Joker and Batman-as perhaps evidenced by their both wearing masks. So if capital produces manichean masks, which are we: the Joker or the Batman, the poser or the prophet? LSAnonymous
July 26 2008, 16:41:57 UTC 3 years ago
Far from being propaganda, I see the movie as sharp social criticism. It throws light on a very interesting question: if evil must be done to preserve order, is that order worth preserving?
Anonymous
July 27 2008, 08:17:07 UTC 3 years ago
I just watched this for a second time, and was so freaked out that i went searching for critique of the film along these lines. the first viewing is very overwhelming, less for the spectacle and more for the acting, story and writing. in that sense at least it's an old-fashioned spectacle.
but a spectacle nonetheless.
regarding the analysis, there are two levels, right? there's narrative structure and there's affective training of mass audiences. the narrative aspect is tied in, though i don't think there's a one to one correspondence. the political question has to be, what does this condition people to tacitly or explicitly support?
the joker is a standin for terrorists, and as you say serves to posit them as depoliticized madmen. so in that sense it conforms to american popular ideology in this regard. it does at least conform to the liberal version of american imperial ideology- torture is wrong and doesn't work, breaking batman's "one law" i.e. not killing his enemies, is wrong and will not help. when the one cop gives in to violating order, he just enables the joker to win. dent is stopped and condemned for torturing a criminal, and this is portrayed as the first step in a precipitous decline. so again, we have the american imperial model- we're being attacked by crazy terrorists- but the liberal version of that narrative- we're better because we don't torture, we don't kill, etc etc.
it matters very little if that aspect of the narrative is true- of course it isn't. what matters is that it is conditioning an audience to believe in that, and identify with those principles. so the scene where dent is torturing a criminal is a pretty direct engagement with american torturing of suspects, and at least this is condemned. when batman tortures the mafia leader to find the joker, it ends up spiraling into another brutal chaotic situation.
liberal imperialism isn't better, but at least it's more tractable.
still, i wonder how this will really condition people. all of these violations of the law are seen to play into the hands of chaos. so while the articulation of the enemy is as decontextualized Other, the fight with that Other is shown as fruitless and ultimately self-defeating. if not a radical presentation (meaning simply a true presentation) it is at least a deconstructive theme...
Anonymous
December 11 2008, 18:39:03 UTC 3 years ago
...but you're both wrong! -- three points.
___
(1), the joke isn't a "one-dimensional killing machine".
at times, he's even remarkably restrained for a hollywood villain. at the dinner party, for instance, i don't remember him killing one person while searching for harvey dent, whereas we'd expect one-dimensional killing machines to begin killing hostages immediately. (the joker does throw rachel dawes out of a high-story window, but he likely knows that batman will catch her.)
if this one-dimensional view of the joker were correct, why wouldn't he just detonate the bombs on the ferries without offering the passengers a choice? why carry out this 'social experiment' if all he cared about was watching things explode?
i submit the joker isn't devoid of psychological complexity, nor is he utterly insane. he describes himself as "a dog chasing cars" (in the scene with harvey dent at the hospital) because he has to redirect dent's anger elsewhere if his own schemes are to succeed.
at the beginning of the film, the joker offers to kill batman for payment in order to maintain the criminal status quo, and he kills his partners in a bank robbery because he wants all the money for himself. but through the course of the film, he becomes just as incorruptible as batman, in the sense that he can't be bought and is willing to die in order to achieve his ends. he becomes disgusted with the status quo, and "won't go back to ripping off mob dealers". he burns a pile of money and promises to provide gotham with 'a better class of criminal'. he also (and this is crucial) *refrains from killing batman*. now that's something new.
recall bataille's opposition to the sexual revolution (which zizek quotes on page 95 of 'the parallax view'), "in my [bataille's] view, sexual disorder is accursed. in this respect and in spite of appearances, i am opposed to the tendency which seems today to be sweeping it away. i am not among those who see the neglect of sexual interdictions as a solution. i even think that human potential depends on these interdictions: we could not image this potential without these interdictions."
according to zizek, this is bataille realizing the interdependence of law and its trangression: without the system of sexual repression, there is no escape into sexual debauchery.
similarly, the joker must realize that without the schemers, he has no schemes to turn upside-down. without the hero, the villain has no one to run from - thus ends the chase.
joker to batman: "you. complete. me."
although many films make this their point, i struggle to find an single example in the entire history of cinema or literature in which *the villain* know this. can you think of a movie or novel or whatever where the villain refuses to kill the hero because they know that their own jouissance depends on the hero's existence?
(one of the few instances that comes to mind is jeremy irons's character in 'die hard III' - but there he still intends to kill bruce willis' character, and is merely delaying, forcing him to run a gauntlet first.)
(1), i think, is rather easy to accept; (2) is a bit more iffy.
Anonymous
December 11 2009, 02:18:57 UTC 2 years ago
Anonymous
December 11 2008, 18:40:10 UTC 3 years ago
i'm ashamed to admit that i hadn't seen 'lawrence of arabia' until this year, but one scene which especially struck me was the following one between lawrence and general allenby:
T.E. Lawrence: I killed two people. One was... yesterday? He was just a boy and I led him into quicksand. The other was... well, before Aqaba. I had to execute him with my pistol, and there was something about it that I didn't like.
General Allenby: That's to be expected.
T.E. Lawrence: No, something else.
General Allenby: Well, then let it be a lesson.
T.E. Lawrence: No... something else.
General Allenby: What then?
T.E. Lawrence: I enjoyed it.
Anonymous
December 11 2008, 18:40:42 UTC 3 years ago
well i submit to you that batman enjoys being batman, and to repress this enjoyment he needs two illusions: first, that one day the city of gotham won't need him; second, that one day he'll return to a normal life.
riddle me this: why does batman give control of the spy-computer to lucius fox? why does he even tell lucius, if this only increases the possibility that it'll fall into the wrong hands? if batman trusted himself, then he'd be the best person to put in charge of such a machine, and the less people who know about it, the better. at first he keeps lucius in the dark, but i think that batman, as the film proceeds, begins to distrust himself. he's not sure he can keep control over his violent urges. so a more reasonable way to explain his behavior might be, not that he gives lucius the keys because he (bruce wayne) has no desire for that kind of power, but because he secretly fears he *does* desire that kind of power.
recall the interrogation scene between batman and the joker. at first police commissioner gordon stops an officer from rushing inside to prevent batman from killing the joker: 'he's in control'. but then gordon himself tries to run in, only to find the door barricaded by a chair. the joker brings batman to the brink of breaking his one rule - thou shalt not kill.
next: why does he save dent instead of rachel? for a normal person, this is an easy choice - save the one you love. was it really batman's selfless love for the people of gotham that compels him to save the city's only chance for good governance? does he really put the needs of his society above his personal affection?
i'm sorry, but i find this theory unconvincing. rather i think that such affection isn't really there, that bruce has done exactly what rachel warned him not to do - reduced her to his last hope at a normal life. he's not really in love with her, but with the idea of her (although i'm sure he cares for her). (one might say that bruce knew that rachel would never forgive him for saving her, which is a simpler possibility, but one which immediately begs the question, if you truly loved someone, wouldn't you rather have them *alive* and pissed at you rather than not alive to be pissed at you at all?)
{and of course this interpretation is fraught with possible error, as i've heard that the joker may've simply switched the addresses on batman (even though i find this out-of-character).}
in my view, batman is an anti-hero not because he does evil things to accomplish the good (i.e., he's a badass), but because he IS evil (i.e., inhuman) in his heart of hearts, and his only way of dealing with this is to sacrifice himself to the good.
basically, the joker has batman pegged. batman isn't a good person acting like a freak just to scare criminals; he's a freak acting like a good person to cope with his inhuman core. "don't talk to me like you're one of them - you're not, even if you'd like to be," says the joker to batman.
what bruce wayne can never bring himself to admit is that he's having as much fun as the joker is. we think that the 'rich playboy'-act is meant to hide his social conscience from the world, but what if, underneath it all, there's an absence of conscience, and the only way to mask this from his own self-appraisal is to pretend that he's playing a role? perhaps what he really loves are his toys, his monster car, his witty banter with alfred pennyworth and lucius, his clever one-liners after besting mob bosses or punching villains in the face, and it's his guilt at loving all this, at loving who he really is, that causes him to cling to a naive fantasy of normalcy embodied in rachel's love and gotham's brighter future.
in short, the cause of his 'inner turmoil' isn't his altruism, but the hole which resides where his altruism should be. ...so if we're going to say batman is a symbol of america, then we're going to get some very odd results -- which i don't have time to discuss, but am currently writing a journal article on. =P
Anonymous
December 11 2008, 18:41:06 UTC 3 years ago
in fact, i think, 'dark knight' is a modern-day version of the book of job. satan is played by the joker and god is played by batman. satan says to god that job is only pious because he's prosperous, and that if his worldly success is taken away, he'll lose faith. the joker bets batman that when the chips are down so-called civilized people will eat each other.
so there's actually two bets: the first is the joker's 'social experiment' - that ordinary ferry-goers will abandon their supposed moral decency and push a button to mass murder the passengers on another boat.
(if the criminals had pushed first, i would guess the joker would've felt slightly disappointed. the point of the experiment is that ordinary people are worse than criminals... and yes, this is a movie; the criminal throws the trigger out the window and ordinary people lack the guts (despite their majority vote!) to do the dirty deed... but briefly imagine this as a real-life scenario - would the joker have really lost this wager?)
the second bet, unbeknownst to batman, is that harvey dent, the poster child of new gotham, will go psycho. this is the real candidate for the figure of job - a faithful servant who loses everything: his love, his face, his belief in justice.
finally, to wrap up, this for me this is the actual face of terrorism today - not the joker's vulgar sadomasochism, but the mindless revenge of those who were educated by the system, driven insane by personal tragedy, and now are willing to kill children at random.
this is also how i read zizek's claim that global capitalism and violent fundamentalism are two sides of the same coin.
whereas, the dark knight = communism.
Anonymous
December 11 2008, 19:08:19 UTC 3 years ago
actually.....
page 112 of the script disproves my interpretation of saving harvey -- the joker lied about the addresses:http://joblo.com/scripts/The_Dark_Knight.p
though i still think (2) goes through on the merits of the other claims.
Anonymous
November 18 2009, 05:21:52 UTC 2 years ago
Here's an idea...go outside a Mosque in say...Saudi Arabai...and begin insulting Islam, and see how long it takes for a pack or raging, fanatical hooligans with violent intentions start coming around you. I'm not even talking about the terrorists.
"American businesses stole our land, and led my family into starvation and poverty; American planes fire-bombed my village;"
1783 Muslim Pirates representing Muslim States attacked American ships, unprovoked. 1785 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams speak to the Muslim Ambassador in France...and the Muslim Ambassador tells them both the reason for attacking unbelievers. Look it up. That could be the reason.
Jay
Anonymous
March 26 2010, 19:54:33 UTC 2 years ago
taking the mosque off
there are a lot of churches within the united states for which i wouldn't feel safe going inside and insulting christianity; islam certainly has no monopoly on "raging, fanatical hooligans with violent intentions".that's why i think it's so crucial to see harvey dent - 'the good liberal' - as the ultimate terrorist, to keep in mind that his 'fanaticism for justice' was there long before his disfigurement. before half of his face burns off, he has played russian roulette with a suspect-in-custody and threatened another with death (under the euphemism of 'going back to county jail'). he has lied to reporters, cooperated with a criminal-at-large, permitted gordon to run a secret prison, and bent constitutional safeguards in order to make mass arrests. and when he demands that gordon call him 'two-face' at the hospital, what's his reason? "why should i hide who i really am?". i take him at his word here. his pretty face was a mask hiding an underlying commitment to retributive vengeance. in times of crisis this becomes barbarism.
the notion of retributive justice animates organizations like al-qaeda - they are an inverted mirror of liberal society itself. modern islamic fundamentalism - like fascism - is a reaction to modernity, not some primitive religious ignorance that has always been around. most al-qaeda terrorists aren't poverty-stricken psychopaths, but have been educated in western universities and are from middle-class families. they're engineers and intellectuals. so whichever side you take in the on-going war between imperialism and terrorism, one has to admit that both sides' goals are largely geopolitical instead of religious, despite all the religious rhetoric that comes out of the evangelicals on both side. for me the most radical problematic of the film was the idea that a terrorist is just a good liberal who hasn't yet had to watch a loved one die at the hands of the enemy.
if terrorists were insane, wouldn't their violence be evenly distributed across the globe? sweden today, the u.s. tomorrow, and brazil the day after that? (and if the attacks by muslim pirates on american ships in the late 18th century were "unprovoked", were the reasons the ambassador gave for the attacks false?)
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December 18 2009, 02:17:38 UTC 2 years ago
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your interpretation is supported by this ridiculous image.
the state/cops pursuing Batman in the movie are the UN/global community pursuing Bush/America for war crimes.
Anonymous
March 26 2010, 20:35:27 UTC 2 years ago
the burning bush
george w. bush = commissioner gordon = neo-conservatismbarack obama = harvey dent = 'third way'-liberalism
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gordon is willing to make more moral compromises than dent: he employs cops with ties to organized crime, lies to journalists, and runs a secret prison. for me the key scene that separates gordon from batman is when gordon is set to storm the prewitt building and batman warns him against doing so. gordon threatens to shoot batman if he delays the s.w.a.t. team's immediate breach. is this not similar to the lead-up to the iraq war? batman plays the role of u.n. weapons inspector hans blix here, wanting to finish an inspection of the building prior to the invasion and suspecting the joker - saddam hussien - of deception (which hussien displayed in real life by *not* stockpiling weapons of mass destruction)? indeed what u.s. military planners consistently accused hussien of doing is precisely what the joker does in this scene: use civilian hostages as 'human shields'.
what's obscene about comparing bush to batman is that the film documents batman's self-questioning, his self-discipline, and his sense of moral responsibility, even for crimes he didn't commit. anyone mildly aware of bush's 8 years in office cannot attribute these qualities to him. batman wrestles with the effect his violence is causing - bush didn't and still doesn't. the second key scene distinguishing batman from gordon is the finale scene with dent: dent accuses gordon of cutting a deal with the devil and gordon makes excuses for his behavior, saying he was 'trying to fight the mob'. batman refuses to make excuses. he exhibits an entirely different level of moral responsibility; he accepts full responsibility for his actions and asks that dent point the gun at those responsible, not an innocent child.
if the bush administration invented a super-surveillance machine, do you really think they'd hand over the keys to an independent party and get rid of it after a single use? this kind of self-limitation of one's own power was foreign to bush. and if there's another film in this series, we might see the contrast between gordon and batman become even starker, with gordon becoming gotham city's de facto tyrant. batman never sought to rule the city, only to make non-corrupt governance possible. and any passing similarities between bush and batman should only better reveal to us the sharp incompatibility of their respective political projects.
if gordon and dent are playing on the game-board of liberal democracy, batman and the joker are off the board, offering us two alternatives to the dominant world order - communism and fascism, respectively. this is the real distinction we need to draw today: communism and fascism aren't merely two examples of totalitarianism; they're as different, in their failures as their successes, as batman and the joker. batman is a leninist and lenin is a figure we must repeat: http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/a